On the same day Florida Marlins manager Jack McKeon said he would retire after the season, Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen met with team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf on Monday, and he said he left the meeting with “nothing.”
Guillen’s contract is set to expire after the 2012 season. About a month ago he said he wouldn’t return for the final year of his contract unless he gets an extension.
“We talked about different things, my future here, how we’re going to do it and what we think about the ballclub, what we want, and I left the meeting with nothing,” Guillen said before Monday’s game against the Toronto Blue Jays. “We have to wait.
That’s nice. Ozzie is under contract for 1 more year. No need for an extension.
“I think we’re a losing team when I get the ‘x,’” Guillen said, referring to playoff elimination. “I’m not here for stats. Once I see the ‘x,’ I’m done.”
Brooks Boyer is thrilled.
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Baseball insiders suggest White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf may “dig in his heels” and force Ozzie Guillen to stay after Guillen’s continuing public blathering about how it might be best for him to be fired and other such musings. But really, it might be best for all concerned to simply trade Guillen to the Marlins, as was briefly discussed a year ago. Those talks ended when the White Sox requested Logan Morrison. But as fortune would have it, Morrison is not exactly beloved these days by the Marlins. Morrison, who was already seen by Marlins management as a bit too opinionated, now has filed a grievance against the team for demoting him at a time he says he didn’t deserve it based on his play.
Again, is this just the Sox trying to gain more leverage?
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September swoons have become an Ozzie trademark
…Here are the dirty details:
• 2004 – White Sox go 17-12 in September, swept by Minnesota Twins.
• 2005 – White Sox go 17-12, swept by Los Angeles Angels and see lead shrink to 1 1/2 games before running off five wins to end the season and 16 of 17 to end the season as World Series champs.
• 2006 – White Sox go 12-16, including a sweep by the Oakland A’s.
• 2007 – White Sox go 15-12 and avoid a sweep but finish at 72-90 and in fourth place.
• 2008 – White Sox go 12-15 in September in what becomes a war of attrition with the fading Twins. The White Sox won three straight games to end the season as Central champs, but lost five straight, including being swept out of first place on September 25 by the Twins to create such dire straits.
• 2009 – White Sox go 13-14 and are swept by the Twins.
• 2010 – White Sox go 14-13 and are swept by the Twins and Tigers, essentially eliminating them from the division race.
• 2011 – White Sox are 5-12 and will have to go 10-1 in the home stretch to finish better than .500 for the month. Two sweeps by Detroit nailed the coffin shut on the 2011 season.
Seems like September is sweeps month in the south side…
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… If there is a choice, Williams will be safe — every opportunity Reinsdorf has had to choose between coaches and GMs in his past (including the Bulls) indicates that the tie goes to the executive suite.
But there won’t be a choice made. Reinsdorf will deal not ultimatums but urgency — everyone, including the White Sox roster — is getting older. Win now, whatever it takes. Otherwise, the housecleaning that was warranted in 2012 will come in 2013.
Meanwhile, Logan Morrison filed a grievance against the Marlins over his demotion to the minors last month:
“I’m doing this because I’m standing up for what’s right,” Morrison told ESPN.com this week. “If I thought it was because of my performance on the field, then I wouldn’t be filing a grievance.”
So, Guillen for Morrison? NBC Hardtalk’s Matthew Poulliot says such a swap won’t happen:
The funny thing is that if the Marlins made such a trade, it’d be because of Morrison’s big mouth. And there’s maybe just one character in baseball with a bigger mouth than Morrison…
But it’s ridiculous speculation, and it’s never going to happen. Morrison is a 24-year-old with a .263/.354/.457 line and 21 homers in 665 major league at-bats. He’s five seasons away from free agency, and it’s not a stretch to suggest he could be worth $50 million in those five seasons, all while getting paid maybe 60 percent of that. He’s not getting traded for a manager. The end.
How rapidly is Ozzie Guillen’s situation deteriorating with the White Sox?
Two weeks ago, a source with knowledge of Guillen’s thinking estimated that the manager was 95 percent certain to return to the White Sox next season.
Over the weekend, the source dropped the odds to 50-50. And on Thursday, he reduced them further, to 10 percent.
The White Sox have not acted on Guillen’s desire for a contract extension. Guillen, meanwhile, was sharply critical of his players after a 6-5 loss to the Tigers in 10 innings on Wednesday night, saying he hasn’t seen “fight.” …
Rosenthal thinks the ‘trade to the Marlins’ would be the obvious solution.
Stark @ ESPN:
Who will be managing the White Sox next season? We tossed that question at a baseball source who is tight with team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, and got this succinct reply: “Ozzie Guillen.”
The same source also said, with zero equivocation, that if the Marlins think they can wait this out and then scoop Guillen off the unemployment line this winter, they’d better re-think. Unless the folks in Florida want to trade a big-time player to the South Side, the source said, the White Sox won’t make any move to resolve Guillen’s future until after the Marlins have hired a manager.
Seems like the Sox want to make others think Guillen isn’t going anywhere so they have more leverage in any negotiations that take place. I’m not confident it will work. There is also this nugget:
White Sox officials have been telling people in the game they need to cut payroll next year after going over budget this season. And they also have five starters under contract for next year, even without Buehrle.
So an executive of one team who spoke with the White Sox brass says the only way he sees them making room for Buehrle is if he’s willing to “be creative” about his next contract. AND the club would have to be able to trade one of its current starters — most likely Gavin Floyd. Can all that happen? Of course. But it’s still a lot of hoops for Buehrle and his team to jump through.
I think Buehrle will be “creative.” Maybe a 2-3 year offer would be enough. Sign him Jerry!
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WSCR AM 670:
An extension for White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen does not appear to be on the table and it’s looking more and more like the team will have a new manager next season, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal said on The Mully and Hanley Show Tuesday.
“There is a point of critical mass that this team is reaching, and I would expect, I’m not saying this any more than speculatively, but I would expect that Ozzie would be gone,” Rosenthal said.
The FOX Sports baseball reporter says that the chances of Guillen returning to the South Side next season have diminished in the last couple of weeks.
Audio at the link.
Rosenthal thinks it might be best for Ozzie and the Sox to separate and start over again. J.J. is thinking the same. And Fangraphs’ Chris Cwik gives us his thoughts on the subject.
UPDATE: More Ozzie:
“I feel for the White Sox,” he said. “Maybe if I go someplace else, I just have a ‘job’ and I will just do my ‘job.’ But with the White Sox, it’s different. I grew up in this organization. If I managed somewhere else, I would have the responsibility to go in with the best intentions, and I’ll still win. But this is a different thing, a different feeling. Sometimes I stop and say ‘Nah, I won’t [talk about managing elsewhere] because I might kill Jerry [Reinsdorf’s] heart. I say a lot of things, but I love this organization. It’s always going to be in my heart. Will it always be on my mind? We’ll see.”
“If Jerry doesn’t think I’m the right guy to run this ballclub, he won’t have any problem with me at all … at all,” Guillen said. “He can count on that. A lot of people think that if Ozzie leaves here he will have a press conference on Michigan Ave. and blast the White Sox. Nah. That won’t do me any good. Why?
“First of all, I live in Chicago. I want to walk to walk the streets of Chicago with my head up and not regret saying something I shouldn’t say. I’ll just leave it like that. Either way is fine with me.”
Barry Jackson @ Miami Herald:
The Marlins haven’t ruled out trading a player (certainly not a key one) for top managerial choice Ozzie Guillen, but prefer not to, and will wait until his availability is known before moving on to anyone else.
UPDATE: Ken Rosenthal chimes in:
A few weeks back, a source familiar with Ozzie Guillen’s thinking predicted that it was 95 percent certain that Guillen would remain the White Sox’s manager.
The source has now dropped the odds to 50-50, and says Guillen’s chances of staying are that good only because owner Jerry Reinsdorf has been loyal to him before.
Guillen wants a contract extension, and so far the White Sox are cool to the idea. Something has to give: The return of Guillen as a lame duck would be potentially explosive for both sides.
There is a runner on 2nd base (and one at 1st). A base hit can win the game. Ozzie is wasting outs…
UPDATE: Oh, look at that:
What the hell was Dunn doing in there against this guy?
UPDATE #2: More wasted outs; bunting…
UPDATE #3: Alex Rios walk-off slam!
Padilla @ ESPN:
ESPN’s Pedro Gomez reported the White Sox considered using Adam Dunn
to pitch in the ninth inning, but manager Ozzie Guillen nixed that idea.
Couldn’t make things any worse…
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Besides the close to sure call-ups of Shane Lindsay, Eduardo Escobar, and Hector Santiago before tomorrow’s game Kenny is thinking about calling up Addison Reed BUT:
Manager Kenny Williams said this week that he is prepared to recall [Addison] Reed only if the White Sox are in contention. It’s possible that Williams might wait to make a decision on Reed until he knows where the team stands after this weekend’s series against the Tigers.
One move Williams doesn’t seem prepared to make is to call up outfielder Jordan Danks, the brother of pitcher John Danks, who will start in the series opener Friday. Williams believes the White Sox have enough outfield coverage at this time.
What about Lastings Milledge? He’s hitting .291/.361/.431/.802.
UPDATE: The Sox called-up Reed, Lindsay and Escobar.
BTW, Sickels is giving a B+ grade to Reed. /UPDATE
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