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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh yeah. no doubt about it. choo would be perfect indeed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah. no doubt about it. choo would be perfect indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[choo would be a perfect fit in right. left handed bat with power speed and average. he&#039;s a very underated player. and I understand that the Indians wouldn&#039;t want to trade their best player, I just wish they would. he would be better than cq and or teahen in right. that&#039;s why I threw his name out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>choo would be a perfect fit in right. left handed bat with power speed and average. he&#8217;s a very underated player. and I understand that the Indians wouldn&#8217;t want to trade their best player, I just wish they would. he would be better than cq and or teahen in right. that&#8217;s why I threw his name out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Buford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 19:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And Beckham and Sale are exactly the names Cleveland would want in return for Choo. Even though I wouldn&#039;t trade either for Choo, you made the trade realistic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Beckham and Sale are exactly the names Cleveland would want in return for Choo. Even though I wouldn&#8217;t trade either for Choo, you made the trade realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, I was the one who threw the beckham and sale names out there. I was trying to think what cleveland&#039;s GM would ask for and those names popped on in my mind!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I was the one who threw the beckham and sale names out there. I was trying to think what cleveland&#8217;s GM would ask for and those names popped on in my mind!</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, 3 years. I didn&#039;t look that up. and Q is on arbitration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, 3 years. I didn&#8217;t look that up. and Q is on arbitration.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, it sure is tempting if you knew that we can win a world series!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, it sure is tempting if you knew that we can win a world series!</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 08:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you&#039;re probably right. if beckham wanted $2.6M and posey $6.2M the sox would&#039;ve picked beckham. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2928&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the sox aren&#039;t big draft spenders...&lt;/a&gt;

ps. and it was laumann, not kenny. my bad]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re probably right. if beckham wanted $2.6M and posey $6.2M the sox would&#8217;ve picked beckham. <a href="http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=2928" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">the sox aren&#8217;t big draft spenders&#8230;</a></p>
<p>ps. and it was laumann, not kenny. my bad</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[buford, I never said sale or beckham in the trade, and I don&#039;t think q will have a big season, that&#039;s why we should trade him for a better offensive/deffensive right fielder. so don&#039;t make fun of my trade opponions because it&#039;s just wishfull thinking on my part and probably would never happen anyways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buford, I never said sale or beckham in the trade, and I don&#8217;t think q will have a big season, that&#8217;s why we should trade him for a better offensive/deffensive right fielder. so don&#8217;t make fun of my trade opponions because it&#8217;s just wishfull thinking on my part and probably would never happen anyways.</p>
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		<title>By: Buford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. Choo is a 28 year-old  playing a non-premium position (corner OF). His agent is Scott Boras which means you would have Choo for only 3 years before Boras takes him to free agency and a desperate team overpays for him. And we might not even receive 2 draft choices if speculation is right and draft choice compensation for free agents is eliminated when the Collective Bargaining Agreement is renegotiated after the 2011. 

2. Sale is a 21 year-old playing a premium position (pitcher) and Beckham is a 24 year-old also playing a premium position (middle infield). And both would be under Sox control for more years than Choo. I would never trade either of these 2 guys for Choo. 

3. If people believe Quentin could have a big year, why even consider a trade in the first place ?

4. Finally, the original proposed trade would make the Cleveland GM die from laughter. And Kenny would be in jail for involuntary manslaughter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Choo is a 28 year-old  playing a non-premium position (corner OF). His agent is Scott Boras which means you would have Choo for only 3 years before Boras takes him to free agency and a desperate team overpays for him. And we might not even receive 2 draft choices if speculation is right and draft choice compensation for free agents is eliminated when the Collective Bargaining Agreement is renegotiated after the 2011. </p>
<p>2. Sale is a 21 year-old playing a premium position (pitcher) and Beckham is a 24 year-old also playing a premium position (middle infield). And both would be under Sox control for more years than Choo. I would never trade either of these 2 guys for Choo. </p>
<p>3. If people believe Quentin could have a big year, why even consider a trade in the first place ?</p>
<p>4. Finally, the original proposed trade would make the Cleveland GM die from laughter. And Kenny would be in jail for involuntary manslaughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Buford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 03:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maybe [Buster] Posey would get to us if not Beckham...&quot;

I&#039;m interpreting this as &quot;If Beckham doesn&#039;t get to us then Posey would&quot; which would mean Beckham was their 1st choice. But my interpretation doesn&#039;t matter because the following is a fact: Beckham signed for $2.6M and Posey signed for $6.2M.

The Sox would have known beforehand of Posey&#039;s extravagant demand and never would have drafted him with Beckham available at less than half the price.

Also, if both Washington and Houston had both lost their final season games rather than them both winning their season&#039;s finale, the Sox would have drafted 10th. They would have likely missed out on Beckham.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe [Buster] Posey would get to us if not Beckham&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interpreting this as &#8220;If Beckham doesn&#8217;t get to us then Posey would&#8221; which would mean Beckham was their 1st choice. But my interpretation doesn&#8217;t matter because the following is a fact: Beckham signed for $2.6M and Posey signed for $6.2M.</p>
<p>The Sox would have known beforehand of Posey&#8217;s extravagant demand and never would have drafted him with Beckham available at less than half the price.</p>
<p>Also, if both Washington and Houston had both lost their final season games rather than them both winning their season&#8217;s finale, the Sox would have drafted 10th. They would have likely missed out on Beckham.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, flowers&#039; year will be interesting to track. and hopefully phegley makes a full recovery.

do you know if we had lost 2 more games in 2007 we&#039;d have the no. 5 draft pick in 2008? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2007.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the sox won 72&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a&gt;the giants 71&lt;/a&gt;. I said 2 and not 1, because a tiebreaker would be won by the giants since they had won less games in 2006. and &lt;strike&gt;kenny&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://soxbronzetitan.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/2008-draft-targets-1-buster-posey-2-gordon-beckham-3-justin-smoak/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;laumann said his first target was buster posey&lt;/a&gt;, who went at #5.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, flowers&#8217; year will be interesting to track. and hopefully phegley makes a full recovery.</p>
<p>do you know if we had lost 2 more games in 2007 we&#8217;d have the no. 5 draft pick in 2008? <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2007.shtml" rel="nofollow">the sox won 72</a> and <a>the giants 71</a>. I said 2 and not 1, because a tiebreaker would be won by the giants since they had won less games in 2006. and <strike>kenny</strike> <a href="http://soxbronzetitan.wordpress.com/2010/06/04/2008-draft-targets-1-buster-posey-2-gordon-beckham-3-justin-smoak/" rel="nofollow">laumann said his first target was buster posey</a>, who went at #5.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hmmm... no not a chance, but the sox slogan this year is &quot;were all in&quot; and if you told me that we can win a world series by trading some of those guys I would do it in a heartbeat. most seasons no but this year might be different. I&#039;m thinking about the right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm&#8230; no not a chance, but the sox slogan this year is &#8220;were all in&#8221; and if you told me that we can win a world series by trading some of those guys I would do it in a heartbeat. most seasons no but this year might be different. I&#8217;m thinking about the right now.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wizard</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Wizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree they&#039;d be interested in viciedo. but I don&#039;t think they&#039;d be interested in the rest. q will be 28 next year and harrell and lilli have very low ceilings. the indians should have players like harrell and lilli at their minor league teams.

they&#039;d want viciedo and sale. or beckham and escobar. would you do either of those?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree they&#8217;d be interested in viciedo. but I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;d be interested in the rest. q will be 28 next year and harrell and lilli have very low ceilings. the indians should have players like harrell and lilli at their minor league teams.</p>
<p>they&#8217;d want viciedo and sale. or beckham and escobar. would you do either of those?</p>
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		<title>By: Buford</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m of the thought that if you have a ML talent use him at the ML level especially pitchers whose every pitch could be their last one. Derek Lowe has had a long career after transitioning from reliever to starter and more recently C J Wilson of Texas. I&#039;m sure the Sox know they can convert Sale into a starter with no ill effects otherwise they would have just left him as a starter.

Let&#039;s see if Flowers new swing can provide good overall results including a normal BABIP. If he turns into another bust propspect, Josh Phegley may be an alternative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m of the thought that if you have a ML talent use him at the ML level especially pitchers whose every pitch could be their last one. Derek Lowe has had a long career after transitioning from reliever to starter and more recently C J Wilson of Texas. I&#8217;m sure the Sox know they can convert Sale into a starter with no ill effects otherwise they would have just left him as a starter.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if Flowers new swing can provide good overall results including a normal BABIP. If he turns into another bust propspect, Josh Phegley may be an alternative.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we would be giving them lots of young talent in return, plus cq who is fairly young and could put up big numbers. they are trying to rebuild and I would assume players like viceido and harrell would interest them, don&#039;t you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we would be giving them lots of young talent in return, plus cq who is fairly young and could put up big numbers. they are trying to rebuild and I would assume players like viceido and harrell would interest them, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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