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July 31, 2010

JJ examines the Dan Hudson-Edwin Jackson trade

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 9:22 pm
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JJ Stankevitz:

Honestly, I feel the same way about this trade as I felt when the Sox dealt Brandon McCarthy to the Rangers in the John Danks trade. I liked Danks, but wasn’t infatuated with him.

And the fact that I remember hearing McCarthy’s name thrown around in rumors for Carl Crawford made that trade hard to swallow at first.

Obviously, the Danks-for-McCarthy trade has turned out to probably be the best deal Kenny Williams has ever made. This Hudson/Holmberg-for-Jackson trade doesn’t have the potential to be the second-best given that Jackson is only under contract through 2011 and is a Boras client, so he probably won’t come back to the Sox after next year anyway. …

Excellent-excellent stuff from JJ.

Kenny Williams explains his attempt to land Manny Ramirez

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 8:05 pm
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Merkin:

Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti spoke in generalities of how the White Sox contacted him on Friday about the mercurial outfielder.

“We got a call from one club, and they offered us a very low dollar figure with no player attached to it,” Colletti said. “We didn’t start it and we didn’t float his name. One team came forward, and I’m not sure what they were trying to accomplish.”

That explanation was provided by Williams on Saturday.

Impact players were the target for the White Sox, players who could move them up a notch in competing for a World Series title. Ramirez didn’t work out, nor did the other pursuits, but Williams will move forward from a position of strength.

“All I can say is, if we felt there were any impact players on the market, we were going to go after them,” Williams said. “We are strong enough as we are and everything fits together in such a way that the only thing we were going to add would be something of an impact guy.

“I’ll be honest. I was really optimistic on a couple of fronts that we would be able to add to this team without subtracting anything and unfortunately everything that presented itself over the last number of weeks, with the exception of the Edwin Jackson thing, just didn’t. It was destructive to what we were trying to do as a ballclub and it would have taken too much from what’s already on the field.”

with the exception of the Edwin Jackson thing? why, didn’t ‘the Edwin Jackson thing’ subtract something?

Kenny Williams pulls a fast one on Gordon Beckham and Ozzie Guillen [UPDATE]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 7:19 pm
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At about 2:57 C.T.:

Once in the clubhouse, Williams decided to have some fun with Gordon Beckham and manager Ozzie Guillen.

“I wanted to have some fun with Gordon, and I knew he had been worried about some things even though I had talked with him previously about it. He was eating in the lunch room and I was sitting there and I called him over.”

What Williams did not know was that Paul Konerko has just been giving Beckham a hard time, saying, “This is about the time when Kenny gets ansy and decided to just throw Beckham into the deal to get it done.”

So Beckham heads off with Williams.  The duo walks into Guillen’s office and closes the door.  Guillen is shocked.

“First off, when you walk in on the trading deadline every player is looking at you out of the corner of their eye,” said Williams.  “So I walked in and called him over, and he had this look like, ‘No, really?’ And I called him into Ozzie’s office and Ozzie didn’t know anything about it but he saw Gordon walk in and then he saw me walk in and close the door behind Beckham and he went ‘No!’ and the other coaches went ‘No!.’

“Ozzie closed the door, and I sat Gordon down on the chair and I said ‘Well, I really would like to say one thing to you before I get into the nuts and bolts of this stuff.’ I said ‘That at-bat you had last night, where you pushed across that run, was one of the best at-bats you’ve had all year and I just want to say nice job.’ And I shook his hand and he said, ‘Is that it?.’

“‘That’s it,’ I said.

“He had a sigh of relief. Ozzie had a sigh of relief and started cursing at me, and then I walked back into the lunchroom and Konerko says “You won’t believe this but about one minute before you walked in, I told Gordon that this is about the time in the show when Kenny Williams says ‘To hell with it, I’ll give you Gordon Beckham.'” So when I walked in there and called him out, it was perfect timing. We had a little fun with it.”

UPDATE: Merkin’s has more.

Video: CSN (1:47), Trib (3:50).

Script (by Brent Ballantini).

White Sox are done dealing

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 3:13 pm
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Nightengale (USAT):

White Sox say there are done at deadline. No more deals at least not until players clear waivers

So, Kenny’s move was trading 5 years and 2 months 6 years of Dan Hudson for 1 year and 2 months of Edwin Jackson. Ugh…

Andre Rienzo: 7 IP / 8 K / 1 BB [July 30]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 2:29 pm
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7/30:

Kannapolis
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Rienzo 7.0 3 2 2 1 8 1 4.57
Thompson (L, 0-1) 1.0 4 1 1 1 1 0 2.70

Rienzo has a 78 K / 22 BB ratio in 65.0 innings. He also has a 3.00 FIP.

Chris Sale: 1 IP / 3 K / 1 BB [July 30]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 2:22 pm
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7/30:

Charlotte
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Williams, R 4.0 2 0 0 1 4 0 2.12
Santeliz 2.0 2 1 1 0 1 1 5.45
Adkins (L, 1-5) 1.0 2 4 0 2 0 0 5.29
Sale 1.0 0 0 0 1 3 0 2.84

Pitches-strikes: Sale 19-11
Groundouts-flyouts: Sale 0-0

from the pbp:

Louisville Bottom 8th

  • Pitcher Change: Chris Sale replaces Jon Adkins.
  • Wladimir Balentien strikes out swinging.
  • Daniel Dorn strikes out swinging.
  • Corky Miller walks.
  • Wilkin Castillo strikes out swinging.

Sale now has a 15 K / 4 BB ratio in 6.1 innings.

White Sox trying to get Manny Ramirez – UPDATE #3

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 1:15 pm
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Rosenthal (FS):

The White Sox, frustrated by their inability to land Adam Dunn, made a run at Dodgers left fielder Manny Ramirez on Friday, but their overtures were rejected, major-league sources say. …  The White Sox wanted the Dodgers to pay all but $1 million of Ramirez’s remaining salary and did not offer a player in return, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions. … The Dodgers could keep Ramirez for the same reason, but sources say they are frustrated by his lack of reliability; this is his third trip to the DL this season.

MLBTR:

Though the Sox were rejected, Manny makes for an interesting DH target for multiple teams.  Ramirez is having a strong year statistically, but he was otherworldly after the ’08 trade to the Dodgers.  Obstacles abound: Manny has a full no-trade clause, he’s on a rehab assignment for a calf strain, and he has over $7MM remaining on his contract (much of it deferred).  The contract makes Ramirez an August trade candidate, if the Dodgers feel they can spare him.

UPDATE: Rosenthal (FS):

It’s a halfcourt shot, but it’s still in the air: Source says White Sox intend to make one more run at Manny today.

Brown (Yahoo):

Manny market heating up. Sources: Three teams have called Dodgers about him — White Sox, Rays and mystery club. Dodgers are considering.

UPDATE #2: Heyman (SI):

manny appears amenable to going to the chisox. but the dodgers want big prospects back.

Heyman (SI):

dodgers asked chisox for [dayan] viciedo for manny

UPDATE #3: Multiple sources say it seems to be over:

Heyman (SI):

chisox, dodgers far apart on manny. doesnt look likely.

Nightengale (USAT):

The White Sox have yet to even hear a counter-offer from Dodgers on Manny, let alone engage in talks. WS moving on.

Cowley (CST):

Manny deal is dead, and now you can bury it next to the Dunn deal, which was taken off life support yesterday … mouth-to-mouth anyone?

White Sox out of the Adam Dunn sweepstakes? – UPDATE #2

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 12:07 pm
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Rosenthal (12 minutes ago):

White Sox saying, again, that they are out on Dunn. If that’s true, Dunn could stay with Nationals. Rays only in at right price

UPDATE: Jim Bowden (MLB/FOX):

Confirmed….3 Teams are still “in” on Adam Dunn: Detroit, Chicago WS and Tampa Bay….50/50 he’s moved….Confirmed

UPDATE #2: Heyman (SI):

jackson for dunn is still a possibility. but nationals want chisox to add another player or 2

Houston listening on offers for Brett Myers

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 31, 2010 11:02 am
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Rosenthal (FS):

Sources: Astros fielding offers for Myers and Wandy. As Morosi reported, Twins on Myers. Told Astros not that motivated. We’ll see.

If the Twins get Myers and Kenny ends trading Hudson for Edwin freakin Jackson, Kenny’s trading deadline moves would be a spectacular failure.

July 30, 2010

Was Kenny Williams duped by Washington GM Mike Rizzo? [UPDATE #2]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 8:45 pm
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Gregor @ DH:

But KW also sounded like he’s been duped _ likely by Washington Nationals GM Mike Rizzo _ in talks for Adam Dunn. While he didn’t mention any specific names, Kenny said it’s been “frustrating” dealing with newer GMs, of which Rizzo is one. He also mentioned “playing games” and “being above board,” so you pretty much get the picture. I’m hearing that Rizzo has taken Dunn off the market, but who really knows? These have been the most unusual days leading up to the trade deadline I ever can remember, by far. But I’m thinking the original plan was for the Sox to acquire Jackson and send him to the Nats for Dunn.

I don’t know if Kenny was duped, I know that Kenny made a crappy trade.

UPDATE: HardballTalk:

According to Olney, the Nationals had told teams interested in Adam Dunn that a “key piece” to get a deal done was Edwin Jackson. This forced teams to try to pry Jackson away from the Diamondbacks. Of course, just before 1pm EST today, the White Sox acquired Jackson from the D-Backs in exchange for right-hander Daniel Hudson and left-hander David Holmberg. Now, according to Olney, the Nationals are indicating that they don’t want Jackson.

If this what Kenny complained about, the fault is his. You don’t trust anyone, especially one you haven’t done business with before, Kenny.

UPDATE #2: From Peter Gammons’ WEEI appearance:

Q: Where does all this [trade rumors] come from?

A: A lot of times people like to guess. I think agents like to throw it out there. For instance, one of the things I found curious of this whole notion if the White Sox can get Edwin Jackson from Arizona, then they can get Adam Dunn from Washington. It never made any sense to me. I think that is very agent-driven, in that the same people I see writing about this get it from the same place. I know that I talked to [Nationals GM] Mike Rizzo, and he said, I don’t want Edwin Jackson, he makes $8 million next season and he has a 5.00 ERA. He said, “I have four pitchers I know are going to be in my rotation next year, why would I spend $8 million on a fifth starter and trade Adam Dunn, who I might be able to sign. It just doesn’t make sense, but it gets thrown out there a lot. Colorado has clearly made certain guys available: Aaron Cook, [Joe] Beimel, who’s been OK at times. Some of it makes a lot of sense, but the fact is we have so many media outlets. I find it a lot of fun, but it can also drive you crazy trying to chase them all down.

Adam Dunn denies he was told he won’t be traded to the White Sox

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 8:37 pm
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And he’s willing to play DH for the rest of the season.

Kilgore @ Washington Post:

Reports this afternoon said Dunn had been told he wouldn’t be sent to the White Sox for Edwin Jackson, and Dunn shot them down. “No,” Dunn said. “I haven’t heard anything.” (Dunn allowed, about the White Sox, “I like their uniforms.”)

Dunn clarified several meaningful details surrounding his situation Dunn has stated his opposition to serving as a full-time designated hitter, but he said he would not mind for the final portion of the season if he is sent to an American League team.

“That’s just Dhing for two months,” Dunn said. “It’s not like if I make this move, it’s career-ending.”

Lance Berkman vetoed a trade to the White Sox

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 8:09 pm
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Nightengale (USAT):

Curiously, Lance Berkman had recently exercised his no-trade rights for possible deal with White Sox before accepting Yankees’ trade.

“if Adam Dunn’s going anywhere, it would probably be to the Yankees.”

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 3:24 pm
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Peter Gammons via WEEI:

As for the Yankees, Gammons said a fear existed in the AL East that New York could make the biggest splash on Saturday.

“The Tampa Bay people are absolutely convinced that one way or another there’s going to be a huge deal with the Yankees and they’re going to end up with Adam Dunn. I don’t know if it will or not, but I would say if Adam Dunn’s going anywhere, it would probably be to the Yankees.

Not good.

UPDATE: Jim Bowden (MLB/FOX):

Tim Kurkjian of ESPN reporting that the Nationals told him directly they are NOT trading Dunn to the White Sox for Edwin Jackson

Washington “not that hot” on Edwin Jackson [UPDATE #3]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 2:51 pm
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Gammons (MLB):

Nats not that hot for Edwin jackson

Please tell me the Sox weren’t fleeced again: Linebrink, Swisher II, Teahen…

UPDATE: Good News: Ballantini (CSN):

Jackson is merely the most crucial piece to securing Adam Dunn…The big fella is on his way to Chicago, friends. Waiting on Nats sign-off.

Bad News: Rosenthal (FS):

Rival exec still believes Yankees are in heavy on Dunn. Their “we’re out” message was directed at Nationals: Quit messing around!

UPDATE #2: WSCR AM670 says Washington isn’t trading Dunn.

UPDATE #3: Padilla @ ESPN:

reports indicate that last-place Washington doesn’t want anything to do with Jackson.

White Sox after RHP Brett Myers? [UPDATE]

Filed under: Chicago White Sox — The Wizard @ July 30, 2010 1:11 pm
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Nightengale (USAT):

white sox Sox GM Kenny Williams, the king of the trade deadline, is quietly exploring possibility of acquring Brett Myers from Astros

Fangraphs on Myers: 113 K / 42 BB, 3.10 ERA, 3.52 FIP, 3.78 xFIP, 2.8 WAR, 49.8% GB%, .294 BABIP, 7.01 K/9, 2.61 BB/9, 0.74 HR/9

Contract:

  • 1 year/$5.1M (2010), plus 2011 mutual option
    • 10:$3.1M, 11:$8M mutual option ($2M buyout)

Getting Myers, unlike Edwin Jackson, makes sense. And it has JJ’s approval!

UPDATE: Nightengale (USAT):

White Sox have Edwin Jackson included in current trade package for Dunn. If Sox get Dunn, then will try to land Astros’ Brett Myers

That would fix things.

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